San Diego WILL Become a quiet zone: 6:2 vote

[SP4449]

The layoffs were would be for City employees not just ordinary people. Now if they were to raise buisness and or sales taxes it could effect BNSF shippers in San Diego or in the county if they say "We can't afford to do buisness here so we will move to Texas because its cheaper to do buisness there."
The yellowbonnet is the correct name not the Blue bonnet. Santa Fe did have a few bluebonnet F units.
From Jonathan

[CoasterMike2105]

(06-24-2010 01:20 PM)SP4449 Wrote:  The layoffs were would be for City employees not just ordinary people. Now if they were to raise buisness and or sales taxes it could effect BNSF shippers in San Diego or in the county if they say "We can't afford to do buisness here so we will move to Texas because its cheaper to do buisness there."
The yellowbonnet is the correct name not the Blue bonnet. Santa Fe did have a few bluebonnet F units.
From Jonathan

Well, seeing how this discussion is starting to unravel and has nothing to do with the discussion,

[SP4449]

That sounds cool to have the GP60 in the consist of the Daygo. Man I miss those GP30's and GP35's.

From Jonathan

[chris_wlkr]

Thanks Mike,

Yes, Please get it back on topic.

[AmtrakFan454]

(06-24-2010 01:26 PM)SP4449 Wrote:  That sounds cool to have the GP60 in the consist of the Daygo. Man I miss those GP30's and GP35's.

From Jonathan

Honestly, I don't think San Diego knows what they're missing out on when they slam through that QZ. Though I have rarely seen GP60s in action the ones I have seen had darn good K3LAs and S3Ls.

Now if it was Oceanside imposing a QZ on Metrolink I'd have some sympathy for the city. You have to actually look for a good-sounding Metrolink P2 these days. Note here: SCAX 861, 862, 877, 884, 885, 886, 887 and 889 at least have some quality to their horns.

I see, though, this has nothing to do with the quality of the horn but as whether it is used as a warning device. Recall Baldwin Park forced Metrolink into using P2s in the first place. Just as long as it isn't weak or one of the bells is clogged, any horn will be safe at a grade crossing. After all, safety is the first rule in the GCOR manual:

1.1 Safety
Safety is the most important element in performing duties. Obeying the rules is essential to job safety and continued employment.
...
I do not see quiet zones as being secure and as a severe breach of this rule. The engineer has the right to blow the horn as it is the safe course in an urban environment where people are inattentive and/or ignorant of approaching trains.

[Lionel3751]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! If people hate hearing trains horns so much why did they choose to live near the tracks in the first place? They all need to find something better to do than to complain to the city about it and move somwhere else if they don't like it!

[I love trains]

(06-25-2010 06:47 PM)Lionel3751 Wrote:  NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! If people hate hearing trains horns so much why did they choose to live near the tracks in the first place? They all need to find something better to do than to complain to the city about it and move somwhere else if they don't like it!

Thank You Patrick!!!!

[Jaanfo]

(06-25-2010 08:14 PM)I love trains Wrote:  

(06-25-2010 06:47 PM)Lionel3751 Wrote:  NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! If people hate hearing trains horns so much why did they choose to live near the tracks in the first place? They all need to find something better to do than to complain to the city about it and move somwhere else if they don't like it!

Thank You Patrick!!!!

Why do the two of you not want the quet zone implemented? No spewing commentary about idiots moving into houses next to the tracks... I want a legitimate explanation as to why you do not want to see a quiet zone put in. I just have to hear (er, read) this.

[SP4449]

My aunt used to tease me about silencing train horns when she lived with my Grandma in San Gabriel. She would say "I am going to complain to the city." and I used to get mad and tell her "No you can't do that."

From Jonathan

[Lionel3751]

(06-25-2010 08:55 PM)Jaanfo Wrote:  

(06-25-2010 08:14 PM)I love trains Wrote:  

(06-25-2010 06:47 PM)Lionel3751 Wrote:  NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! If people hate hearing trains horns so much why did they choose to live near the tracks in the first place? They all need to find something better to do than to complain to the city about it and move somwhere else if they don't like it!

Thank You Patrick!!!!

Why do the two of you not want the quet zone implemented? No spewing commentary about idiots moving into houses next to the tracks... I want a legitimate explanation as to why you do not want to see a quiet zone put in. I just have to hear (er, read) this.

Well I'll admit one reason is we like to hear trains blowing their horns (Yea call us conceited). But the reason why trains blow their horns for crossings is to warn people. Yea they have lights, gates, and bells but some idiots don't pay attention to them. What if a person walked across the tracks while the gates were down and they couldn't tell where the train was until it was right next to the crossing? If that crossing wasn't a quiet zone then the person would be able to tell that the train is much closer than they really think it is. But if trains aren't able to warn people that they're coming what will stop some idiots from getting hurt or killed?