Knotts Berry Farm Trains
(07-05-2010, 08:52 PM)ybx Wrote:  You were shooting some handheld images of the power near the depot right before you grabbed a cab ride. You know how they ran empty while that "band" slaughtered Johnny Cash tunes? You jumped on the cab on the first run after it was over. We went and rode the logs and caught the next train. Where was your PHL hat ?

9519 was inside the roundhouse and engine #340 on the house track. That was really neat !

Yeah, they were pretty bad (the band). My PHL hat was at home and my LAJ hat was in my camera bag. I was in disguise as just plain old Chris.. Lol

Chris Walker - Forum Owner
Knotts is fun. I was ina train club that set up there for the 50th and we had several of the train guys come in the Wilderness Hall and run stuff with us.
Art in CA
Mighty nice update on Knott's, thnx for sharing. BTW Some Knott's archival photos of equipment arriving at the 'Farm', and other early rail scenes there(e.g. the old original engine house, from days when I, as a teenager, would visit to witness the weekly exchange of locos, may be found on Flickr(search for Knotts Trains and browse later pages). My uncle(now deceased) was a crane operator involved in unloading Rio Grande equipment off U.P. cars. You're lucky you got a cab ride by watching crews close up, years ago I had to get permission from Walter himself!
I recall reading in TRAINS magazine that the #340 has frame problems. Is that why it's on the sidetrack?
(10-14-2010, 09:11 AM)AmtrakFan454 Wrote:  I recall reading in TRAINS magazine that the #340 has frame problems. Is that why it's on the sidetrack?

I believe it's the 41 that has frame problems. That's why 340 is used mor often. Towards the end of their career, many of the smaller locomotives (such as 41) were used during the winter to clear the track of snow drifts. They would run them foward into a drift as hard and fast as possible. Thus, many of the smaller RGS locos had frame damage. # 42 at Durango also has the same problem, only worse.

by the way, Chris, did you happen to get any video at Knotts?
I didn't note where I found this, but just came upon it while looking for something else, so thought I'd share. Sorry for internal redundancy.

Knott’s Cable Cars

1. Built 1907 by the California St. Cable Railroad Company, San Francisco, California.Construction: Wood, Length: 30' 5", Weight: 11,500lbs, Seats: 34, Gauge: 3' 6"
[Most of the information in this article has been kindly provided by theOrange Empire Railway Museum, California, which owns a similar cable car.]

The street-railway cable car was developed in 1873 as a replacement for the horse-drawn streetcar. It enjoyed a relatively brief period of popularity on the eve of the development of the electric streetcar. The basic concept of cable traction is simple: An endless cable is kept in motion throughout the entire route; the car is equipped with a vise-like "grip" that catches the moving cable when the operator desires the car to move forward, and disengages the cable when he wants to stop. The top speed of the car is limited to the speed of the cable, typically about 12 mph.By 1895, a total of 28 American cities had built cable systems, the largest of which was in Chicago, Illinois. Only in San Francisco, with its steep hills, did the cable railway survive. Car 17 operated in San Francisco until the mid-fifties, when it was sold along with five other cable cars to the Knott's Berry Farm amusement park in Buena Park, California. The six cars were modified with motor-drives and used as battery-powered parking lot shuttles. Some of the cars from this operation returned to San Francisco in 1980, but Car 17 was retained until 1988, when it was acquired by the City of San Diego, who later transferred it to the City of Poway.
Another interesting bit of info I forgot to add: 340's current tender was originally paired with C-18 # 318. The 340's tender is currently at the Colorado Railroad museum. This switch was done back before 340 was sold to Knott's. The larger water capacity on 340's old tender was needed to bridge the gap between tanks on the Ouray branch and since 318 was the locomotive used at the time, 340 was sent to Knott's with 318's tender. (Narrow Gauge Railroad Discussion Forum)
did u see the 2-4-2 locomotive in the shops
Hello all I am new to this forum and wanted to say hi on this thread and mention that I am a current engineer/fireman at Knott's. And I thought I would answer some of the questions about our RR. I also post regular updates about Knott's on the Narrow gauge discussion forum.

First Chris great pictures. Im glad you and your family are having fun at our park. Also let me know the next time you are coming Ill arrange to give you a tour of the EDNA and Durango, and maybe even the shop.

The 2-4-4 forney that we HAD was a 1927 Davenport. We got it from Ceder Point in 2007. We fixed her up and had her steaming for testing, but she never ran for guests. She is no longer at the park, as Ceder Point took it back, because they had a lack of motive power. They have since turned her into a 2-4-0 with a tender, and converted her to burn coal. SHe will probably stay there.
Here is the last shot I took of her on the day she was loaded up and taken away.
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And another of her under steam.
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As mentioned RGS 41 is the loco rumored to have frame problems. However they are mostly just rumors, her frame has several spots welded up, but the frame is very straight, and the loco runs great. 41 is actually a better runner than 340.

The reason 340 was out side in the one photo is because the stock car 9519 was in the shop over the pit to have the axle with the flat spot removed. Our roundhouse has two stalls, only one has a pit, and that is the stall that usually has a loco in it. Hens why 340 was out. We only have one train, and two loco's.(one is a back up for the other) So one has to sit in the shop or outside.

The reason it took so long to get the axle set replaced on the 9519 was because we had to find a company to bore out the new wheel, and press it on the old axle. We don't have the tools to do so our self.

Traditionally we don't run one loco more that the other. Unless one needs more repair's. 41 is the favored loco, but they both run about the same mileage every year.

Lastly you are all welcome to come to Knott's and enjoy a ride on our Ghost Town & Calico RR. I also invite you to join us(or me) on a cab ride. All you have to do is ask. The only requirements are long pants, close toed shoes, and you must be over 16 years of age.

Chris here is a night shot of 41 for you to enjoy!
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Thanks for the info. It's great to see the steam tradition surviving after so many years. I practically grew up at the Farm since my father, grandfather, and other relatives worked there. I lived about a mile away.

Welcome aboard! You made my day

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