Pacific Electric: Newport-Balboa Line
#21
SteveD's post are some of the best on the RR internet. Thanks Steve for sharing. I feel like I owe you tuition payments.
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#22
Quote:SrMateo said: "Thanks for the elaboration. Especially on the CdM extension. I had read in couple of places that a tunnel was planned either road or rail from Balboa to CdM but no specifics except that it was underfunded, rampant with corruption and ill planned. I always wondered how exactly how any crossing would work since most of CdM is over a hundred feet higher than Balboa. A Bayside Dr route under Goldenrod though would make sense. It makes me wonder if that cut is natural or if it was designed with a route to Balboa, or at least the harbor, in mind. Also I wonder if the pictures I saw of Sunset Beach with a set of tracks between the ocean and the beach front houses, in addition to the PE right of way, were a part of the narrow gauge railroad mentioned."

The gap thru CdM was natural rather than excavated. I grew up there in a home overlooking the "Cat Gully" as it was locally known for all the feral felines that lived there, and the P.E. r-o-w showed on the deed map for my folks' home abutting where Iris dead ended to seaward. any pix of Sunset with track on ocean side of housing, I suspect was merely captured before most westerly lots were developed. To my knowledge, the hwy n.g. was confined to "Talbert Gap" and did not extend w/o H.B.
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(10-11-2011, 10:54 AM)SteveD Wrote:  The gap thru CdM was natural rather than excavated. I grew up there in a home overlooking the "Cat Gully" as it was locally known for all the feral felines that lived there, and the P.E. r-o-w showed on the deed map for my folks' home abutting where Iris dead ended to seaward. any pix of Sunset with track on ocean side of housing, I suspect was merely captured before most westerly lots were developed. To my knowledge, the hwy n.g. was confined to "Talbert Gap" and did not extend w/o H.B.

Cat Gully sounds tacky. Glad they changed that..and the feral cats. I'm trying to find the picture but I can tell you that Sunset Beach was fairly well developed, at least along the coast. The tracks weren't active, I don't know how they could have been with the amount of sand covering the rails, but they were there long after the mainline should have been realigned or PCH was built.

On a separate note I like some of the older historic names over their modern counterparts. Talbert versus Fountain Valley, El Toro versus Lake Forrest.
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#24
Huntington actually had a r-o-w thru CdM(along Bayside Drive),
but cuddn't get Federal permission to cross the Bay. btw, re where P.E. H.B. depot got moved to(off ocean front) was up along (joint) Smeltzer Branch (see "Surf City" threads on TrainOrders.com(I dare not say merely "t.o." any mo:>))
(10-07-2011, 02:35 PM)holasrmateo Wrote:  I updated the original post with more pictures. Many are from the OC Archives but a few are from other local history sites that have even more photos and back stories. If you copy the URL, higher resolutions are available for most of the images I have posted.

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This is a map of Newport Beach in the 1920's. The harbor is still in its infancy. Note all of the development still planned from diverting the Santa Ana River and its silt, to extending the Jetty to dredging the channel.

SP tracks can be seen venturing from the Newport Pier down modern day Newport Blvd to Santa Ana as well as the aforementioned Wye and interchange with PE. PE tracks can be seen approaching from the West, down Seashore Drive, then Balboa Blvd and down the peninsula. Both the original and extension to the jetty were only made possible with the railroads. Moreover, at this point, the city only exists where the railroads are. By contrast Balboa Island and Corona Del Mar, are founded and being developed at the same time and are eventually annexed because they don't have facilities like trains, electricity and running water.
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#25
My question is did King Tide affect this line, I saw it on the news in the last two days for the most recent event in Sunset Beach
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#26
Besides problems with flooding from the Pacific Ocean, the line had problems sand blowing or washing over the track and the periodic washouts cause by the untamed Santa Ana River.

Cliff
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#27
What is now called the Huntington Beach bike trail, is that the former Pacific Electric right of way?
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(12-15-2012, 12:41 AM)bastatim4294 Wrote:  What is now called the Huntington Beach bike trail, is that the former Pacific Electric right of way?

Parts of it do lie on the old PE r-o-w.



TCS - Sheila's house would've been on part of it too.
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